bill clinton's thinking, okay, i saved his convention. do i have to -- i mean, you know bill clinton, along with every other democrat, was pulling his hair out last night. >> oh, yeah. >> so many softballs lobbed barack obama's way that he just didn't take a swing at. >> i think that when you look at those debates four years ago, all obama had to do was to show up and to be calm. they were -- we were in the midst of an economic panic. and he showed, you know, a very calm and steady demeanor which was reassuring. but he's never actually had to make a case in a debate. and he couldn't make a case last night. he couldn't even make a case for his own stimulus program. it was astonishing. >> this was each candidate's best and worst on display because the president -- i think a lot of people agree -- debates aren't his strong point and the stylistic part of it is difficult. with mitt romney, even during the primary, even though the competition was clownlike, he always stepped up and was aggressive and was impressive. >> that's right. this shoul